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well indeed and on both counts and you

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know maybe you will find that in your

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work your collaboration with Professor

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Rupert sheldrick and maybe you want to

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bring folks a little bit up to date on

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the basics of what's going on and maybe

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what is happening currently with that

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work on telephone telepathy well we've

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from and I've known Rupert for a long

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time and I get on very well with on a

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personal level and and again I think we

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would be the case in point they've got

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what we was talking about of the and the

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bad meaning of the word double standard

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in the wider scientific community I

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think a lot of the time the criticisms

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that are directed a trooper are just not

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well founded at all and I think although

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I personally have never had any success

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in replicating the effect that Rupert

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needs to find not only that my project

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students who are not as skeptical as I

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am in fact Lee usually big fans of

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Rupert's they've also failed to

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replicate the effect that Rupert got

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maybe you want to talk a little bit

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about that talk about the field

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replications I think a lot of folks

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would be interested in that okay well

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there's been numerous times over the

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years I mean now I'm going to be just

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the nature of the job you want one

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typically has around about the ten

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project students who are looking for

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interesting projects to do for the final

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year thesis and every so often i will

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get someone who wants to try and

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replicate something that Rupert has

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reported most recently we did a

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telephone telepathy study now we didn't

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this has not been published yet the

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reason being that the intention was to

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actually collect more trials and so

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really anything I say now is kind of

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just a provisional

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no interim report okay but we did have a

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hundred trials with of data though the

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standard kind of setup which Rupert has

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used before in previous studies where

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you have for potential offenders one

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receiver one of the four send of these

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selected at random makes a call through

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to the receiver before the receiver pick

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the phone up they say who they think it

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is what's calling and we video 72 quite

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hard to set up but we wanted to be able

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to film wanted to be very well

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controlled room to film the receiver

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want to film tender and obviously the

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receiver has therefore people they feel

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they've got this special rapport with

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you needing these two experimenters

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getting all those people in the right

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place at the right time can be an

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absolute logistical nightmare but this

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project students nice to get a hundred

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trials now those off came out can bang

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on champ pretty much either say there is

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an intention was to try to get up to 200

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trials and which simply just had we just

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found the logistics of it too difficult

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and it seems to be one of the things

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that now got the back burner I would

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like to finish that study off I'd like

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to report that study however the results

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came out whether it will ever actually

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happen or not I do not know at the

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moment we're trying to set up a new

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study Rupert's reading as you pleasure

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Leah where Rupert has a lot of online

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experiment that people can go to his

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website and try out we're trying it

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we're using that kind of setup that he's

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got there but I think it's important

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that we do in a well-controlled way now

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if we do manage to get the new version

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of this study up and running this is

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using mobile telephones rather than

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three the three send is not as well

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controlled as what we were originally

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doing but it'd be a good starting point

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we can always go into a more controlled

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work after that the three then potential

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offenders can be going about doing their

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daily business as long as they are ready

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to take part in the experiment when they

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when they're told to do so and the whole

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thing is pretty much automated

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they were hoping to get that up and

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running fairly soon and then I've

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watched this space if we get significant

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results but as I said we've carried out

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some other stuff based on the software

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on Rupert's website I'm afraid we didn't

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get positive results in the past I've

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had project students looking at the

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detection of staring kind of paradigms

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again we didn't get poverty significant

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results so it's not someone to trying

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well I don't know I think we just have

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to see and continue to try it I think

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that's also one of the problems in this

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area of research is exactly matching

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someone else's protocol is difficult and

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it's hard to know what you're taking in

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what you're taking out we did a little

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experiment here just as a precursor to a

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university experiment we did one at

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open-source science where I'm involved

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with shell drochs dogs dogs that no and

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found that to be a somewhat of a

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logistical nightmare in terms of finding

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owners but in the end I think we did

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find a couple of folks who showed

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exactly the phenomena that we were

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talking about and it was a matter of

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kind of staying with it and going

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through a lot of different experiments

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with a lot of different dogs and trying

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a lot of different dog owner

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combinations so I think it would be

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interesting to see what you come up with

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it'd be interesting to see shell Drix

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response to that and to see that work go

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on because i think the collaboration

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part is often very difficult and it just

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doesn't seem to ever really happen in a

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way that incorporates in both sides kind

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of views and I think that's where some

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of the problems have been in the past I

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think I'm not some truth in that I'm is

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also again I'm not dying so specifically

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Rupert I think I mean I think there's

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another problem there in terms of the

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way that outcomes of experiments can be

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then interpreted though for example in

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cases of previous attempts at

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replicating the telephone telepathy

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stuff if the results do replicate then

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Rupert obviously quite happy to accept

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them if they don't replicate you can

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usually point to some kind of changing

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to call that might be responsible now it

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makes perfect sense to me that Rupert

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who sincerely believes that these are

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really fact it's going to look at this

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and say well okay I know I've got a real

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phenomenon is a why didn't it show up in

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experiment well it must be because of

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this change in protocol but I'm also

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pretty sure that have the experiment

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produced property significant results

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Rupert would have quite happily accepted